Godstone Road Pedestrian Crossing
Consultation has concluded
What are we doing?
We are going to build a new pedestrian crossing on Godstone Road. This will be located between Riddlesdown Green and the Kenley shopping parade, near to the junction with Hayes Lane.
Below you can find out more about what we will be doing. If you have any questions about the scheme, then you can ask them here or email us .
Why are we doing it?
This new zebra crossing will replace the existing uncontrolled crossing which is often used by students at a nearby school. We are installing the crossing to make the area safer for all pedestrians.
What will the impacts be?
Our transport modelling shows that there would be minimal impact of traffic flow in the area and there will be no impact on parking.
When will we start to build it?
We plan to start building the crossing in early 2025, although this date is subject to change.
What are we doing?
We are going to build a new pedestrian crossing on Godstone Road. This will be located between Riddlesdown Green and the Kenley shopping parade, near to the junction with Hayes Lane.
Below you can find out more about what we will be doing. If you have any questions about the scheme, then you can ask them here or email us .
Why are we doing it?
This new zebra crossing will replace the existing uncontrolled crossing which is often used by students at a nearby school. We are installing the crossing to make the area safer for all pedestrians.
What will the impacts be?
Our transport modelling shows that there would be minimal impact of traffic flow in the area and there will be no impact on parking.
When will we start to build it?
We plan to start building the crossing in early 2025, although this date is subject to change.
If you have any questions about the scheme, you can ask us here and we will get back to you.
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Share Godstone road is unsafe. It needs a speed camera half way between the hotel and the treatment works. We also have no pelican crossing from Purley to whyteleafe. Why is that?? We need a pelican crossing at the co op. It is too unsafe for children to cross her , let alone adults. People often don't stop at the zebra crossing further up at Garston lane. Something needs to be done. Tandrige council can do it , why don't Croydon? on Facebook Share Godstone road is unsafe. It needs a speed camera half way between the hotel and the treatment works. We also have no pelican crossing from Purley to whyteleafe. Why is that?? We need a pelican crossing at the co op. It is too unsafe for children to cross her , let alone adults. People often don't stop at the zebra crossing further up at Garston lane. Something needs to be done. Tandrige council can do it , why don't Croydon? on Twitter Share Godstone road is unsafe. It needs a speed camera half way between the hotel and the treatment works. We also have no pelican crossing from Purley to whyteleafe. Why is that?? We need a pelican crossing at the co op. It is too unsafe for children to cross her , let alone adults. People often don't stop at the zebra crossing further up at Garston lane. Something needs to be done. Tandrige council can do it , why don't Croydon? on Linkedin Email Godstone road is unsafe. It needs a speed camera half way between the hotel and the treatment works. We also have no pelican crossing from Purley to whyteleafe. Why is that?? We need a pelican crossing at the co op. It is too unsafe for children to cross her , let alone adults. People often don't stop at the zebra crossing further up at Garston lane. Something needs to be done. Tandrige council can do it , why don't Croydon? link
Godstone road is unsafe. It needs a speed camera half way between the hotel and the treatment works. We also have no pelican crossing from Purley to whyteleafe. Why is that?? We need a pelican crossing at the co op. It is too unsafe for children to cross her , let alone adults. People often don't stop at the zebra crossing further up at Garston lane. Something needs to be done. Tandrige council can do it , why don't Croydon?
Siobhan Price asked 4 months agoThank you for your comment. Safety is our top priority and is the reason that we are installing the crossing here. However, what you suggest is out of scope for this project.
We can confirm that your observations concerning crossing between Purley to Whyteleafe and will be fed back to relevant teams to enable monitoring and consideration for future schemes.
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Share I have just read through the very long list of thoughtful and carefully worded feedback letters from other members of the public in response to your consutation process. Sadly, in line with most consutations that I have encountered it seems to be a complete waste of time as your response to each suggestion is almost identical and it appears that nearly everything is outside the scope of this project. In requesting opinions on the proposed crossing it might have been helpful to list the options that actually could be considered to avoid so much frustration for people who have taken the trouble to make suggestions and to make their very real concerns clear to you. A zebra crossing will clearly be better than nothing but your touching faith that "a zebra crossing empowers pedestrians to exert immediate priority over vehicles" may have applied 20 years ago but is sadly no longer the case and it is a rash person who steps onto a crossing before being sure the cars have actually stopped. on Facebook Share I have just read through the very long list of thoughtful and carefully worded feedback letters from other members of the public in response to your consutation process. Sadly, in line with most consutations that I have encountered it seems to be a complete waste of time as your response to each suggestion is almost identical and it appears that nearly everything is outside the scope of this project. In requesting opinions on the proposed crossing it might have been helpful to list the options that actually could be considered to avoid so much frustration for people who have taken the trouble to make suggestions and to make their very real concerns clear to you. A zebra crossing will clearly be better than nothing but your touching faith that "a zebra crossing empowers pedestrians to exert immediate priority over vehicles" may have applied 20 years ago but is sadly no longer the case and it is a rash person who steps onto a crossing before being sure the cars have actually stopped. on Twitter Share I have just read through the very long list of thoughtful and carefully worded feedback letters from other members of the public in response to your consutation process. Sadly, in line with most consutations that I have encountered it seems to be a complete waste of time as your response to each suggestion is almost identical and it appears that nearly everything is outside the scope of this project. In requesting opinions on the proposed crossing it might have been helpful to list the options that actually could be considered to avoid so much frustration for people who have taken the trouble to make suggestions and to make their very real concerns clear to you. A zebra crossing will clearly be better than nothing but your touching faith that "a zebra crossing empowers pedestrians to exert immediate priority over vehicles" may have applied 20 years ago but is sadly no longer the case and it is a rash person who steps onto a crossing before being sure the cars have actually stopped. on Linkedin Email I have just read through the very long list of thoughtful and carefully worded feedback letters from other members of the public in response to your consutation process. Sadly, in line with most consutations that I have encountered it seems to be a complete waste of time as your response to each suggestion is almost identical and it appears that nearly everything is outside the scope of this project. In requesting opinions on the proposed crossing it might have been helpful to list the options that actually could be considered to avoid so much frustration for people who have taken the trouble to make suggestions and to make their very real concerns clear to you. A zebra crossing will clearly be better than nothing but your touching faith that "a zebra crossing empowers pedestrians to exert immediate priority over vehicles" may have applied 20 years ago but is sadly no longer the case and it is a rash person who steps onto a crossing before being sure the cars have actually stopped. link
I have just read through the very long list of thoughtful and carefully worded feedback letters from other members of the public in response to your consutation process. Sadly, in line with most consutations that I have encountered it seems to be a complete waste of time as your response to each suggestion is almost identical and it appears that nearly everything is outside the scope of this project. In requesting opinions on the proposed crossing it might have been helpful to list the options that actually could be considered to avoid so much frustration for people who have taken the trouble to make suggestions and to make their very real concerns clear to you. A zebra crossing will clearly be better than nothing but your touching faith that "a zebra crossing empowers pedestrians to exert immediate priority over vehicles" may have applied 20 years ago but is sadly no longer the case and it is a rash person who steps onto a crossing before being sure the cars have actually stopped.
Westgarth asked 4 months agoThank you for your comment.
The introduction of a new crossing on Godstone Road is essential in improving the safety of road users in the area. In the commissioning of this scheme, we have taken the opportunity to engage with local residents to further promote the scheme and invite any additional questions about our proposals.
There are advantages and disadvantages to both signalised and zebra crossings and these are determined by pedestrian and vehicle flows, vehicle speeds and site-specific issues.
A signalised crossing at this site this is likely to create two issues.
Firstly, pedestrians are more likely to choose to cross before a green pedestrian signal is given and, if pedestrians do wait, the narrow northern footway could become congested during peak periods of footfall, especially when passengers alight from eastbound buses.
A zebra crossing empowers pedestrians to exert immediate priority over vehicles, one advantage of which will be prevention of overcrowding on the footway.
Having conducted modelling and speed surveys at this location, we believe that the zebra crossing at this location is the correct intervention.
The zebra crossing will be made visible to drivers by the use of standard belisha beacons. The crossing will also be on a raised platform ('a hump') which will encourage drivers to slow down. There will also be road signage before the crossing that will alert drivers and give them advanced warning to reduce their speed.
We also looked to widen the northern footway, but this wasn’t feasible as it could only be achieved by taking Common Land, which was not possible, or by narrowing the carriageway and removing the pedestrian refuge island which would further impact.
Once we have concluded our engagement on this proposal, we will continue with planning and design work as well as statutory obligations ahead of the installation of the crossing. In turn, which we expect the crossing to be installed in early 2025.
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Share The whole junction is a nightmare. With parents and primary school children crossing Hayes Lane, Riddlesdown children and users of the bus stop having to cross Godstone Road. And Road users including heavy goods vehicles thundering down the road with no consideration to the speed limits. Why is there not a speed camera or traffic lights going to be installed? Will it take for a fatality before TFL, the council or whoever is responsible for local residents to take appropriate action? on Facebook Share The whole junction is a nightmare. With parents and primary school children crossing Hayes Lane, Riddlesdown children and users of the bus stop having to cross Godstone Road. And Road users including heavy goods vehicles thundering down the road with no consideration to the speed limits. Why is there not a speed camera or traffic lights going to be installed? Will it take for a fatality before TFL, the council or whoever is responsible for local residents to take appropriate action? on Twitter Share The whole junction is a nightmare. With parents and primary school children crossing Hayes Lane, Riddlesdown children and users of the bus stop having to cross Godstone Road. And Road users including heavy goods vehicles thundering down the road with no consideration to the speed limits. Why is there not a speed camera or traffic lights going to be installed? Will it take for a fatality before TFL, the council or whoever is responsible for local residents to take appropriate action? on Linkedin Email The whole junction is a nightmare. With parents and primary school children crossing Hayes Lane, Riddlesdown children and users of the bus stop having to cross Godstone Road. And Road users including heavy goods vehicles thundering down the road with no consideration to the speed limits. Why is there not a speed camera or traffic lights going to be installed? Will it take for a fatality before TFL, the council or whoever is responsible for local residents to take appropriate action? link
The whole junction is a nightmare. With parents and primary school children crossing Hayes Lane, Riddlesdown children and users of the bus stop having to cross Godstone Road. And Road users including heavy goods vehicles thundering down the road with no consideration to the speed limits. Why is there not a speed camera or traffic lights going to be installed? Will it take for a fatality before TFL, the council or whoever is responsible for local residents to take appropriate action?
L Taylor asked 4 months agoThank you for your comment. Safety is our top priority and is the reason that we are installing the crossing here.
There are advantages and disadvantages to both signalised and zebra crossings and these are determined by pedestrian and vehicle flows, vehicle speeds and site-specific issues.
A signalised crossing at this site this is likely to create two issues.
Firstly, pedestrians are more likely to choose to cross before a green pedestrian signal is given and, if pedestrians do wait, the narrow northern footway could become congested during peak periods of footfall, especially when passengers alight from eastbound buses.
A zebra crossing empowers pedestrians to exert immediate priority over vehicles, one advantage of which will be prevention of overcrowding on the footway.
Having conducted modelling and speed surveys at this location, we believe that the zebra crossing at this location is the correct intervention.
The zebra crossing will be made visible to drivers by the use of standard belisha beacons. The crossing will also be on a raised platform ('a hump') which will encourage drivers to slow down. There will also be road signage before the crossing that will alert drivers and give them advanced warning to reduce their speed.
We also looked to widen the northern footway, but this wasn’t feasible as it could only be achieved by taking Common Land, which was not possible, or by narrowing the carriageway and removing the pedestrian refuge island which would further impact.
In relation to your comment on cameras, in our Vision Zero Action Plan, we committed to expanding London’s safety camera network as part of efforts to reduce speed and speed-related collisions in the capital. This is still our intention, but we are not in a position to do so now. We are undertaking the essential preparatory work for this and ensuring we have all the necessary elements in place before rolling out new camera sites.
This includes implementation of offence processing technology, recruitment of enforcement staff, and exploring new camera technology to ensure that we are investing in the best and most cost-effective systems for the future.
We are also in the early stages of a contract relet for our two main safety camera providers with contracts due to expire in 2024.
Once we are in a position to expand the network, we will need to redo the detailed analysis to prioritise locations for safety cameras, using a methodology that was developed in consultation with the boroughs and London Councils prior to the pandemic. We need to do this to take account of any changes in travel projections and road user behaviour, as well as the significant changes made to road layouts during the pandemic.
Once we have concluded our engagement on this proposal, we will continue with planning and design work ahead of the installation of the crossing which we expect in early 2025.
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Share Can you put a roundabout or traffic light to manage traffic between hayes lane and godstone road please? on Facebook Share Can you put a roundabout or traffic light to manage traffic between hayes lane and godstone road please? on Twitter Share Can you put a roundabout or traffic light to manage traffic between hayes lane and godstone road please? on Linkedin Email Can you put a roundabout or traffic light to manage traffic between hayes lane and godstone road please? link
Can you put a roundabout or traffic light to manage traffic between hayes lane and godstone road please?
mrs servane chou asked 4 months agoThank you for your comment. Safety is our top priority and is the reason that we are installing the crossing here.
There are advantages and disadvantages to both signalised and zebra crossings and these are determined by pedestrian and vehicle flows, vehicle speeds and site-specific issues.
A signalised crossing at this site this is likely to create two issues.
Firstly, pedestrians are more likely to choose to cross before a green pedestrian signal is given and, if pedestrians do wait, the narrow northern footway could become congested during peak periods of footfall, especially when passengers alight from eastbound buses.
A zebra crossing empowers pedestrians to exert immediate priority over vehicles, one advantage of which will be prevention of overcrowding on the footway.
Having conducted modelling and speed surveys at this location, we believe that the zebra crossing at this location is the correct intervention.
The zebra crossing will be made visible to drivers by the use of standard belisha beacons. The crossing will also be on a raised platform ('a hump') which will encourage drivers to slow down. There will also be road signage before the crossing that will alert drivers and give them advanced warning to reduce their speed.
We also looked to widen the northern footway, but this wasn’t feasible as it could only be achieved by taking Common Land, which was not possible, or by narrowing the carriageway and removing the pedestrian refuge island which would further impact.
Once we have concluded our engagement on this proposal, we will continue with planning and design work as well as statutory obligations ahead of the installation of the crossing. In turn, which we expect the crossing to be installed in early 2025.
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Share I would like to lend my support to the comments regarding other traffic measures - this is a treacherous junction. Whilst I appreciate it's not in scope for this project, I would call upon TFL to consider further projects. on Facebook Share I would like to lend my support to the comments regarding other traffic measures - this is a treacherous junction. Whilst I appreciate it's not in scope for this project, I would call upon TFL to consider further projects. on Twitter Share I would like to lend my support to the comments regarding other traffic measures - this is a treacherous junction. Whilst I appreciate it's not in scope for this project, I would call upon TFL to consider further projects. on Linkedin Email I would like to lend my support to the comments regarding other traffic measures - this is a treacherous junction. Whilst I appreciate it's not in scope for this project, I would call upon TFL to consider further projects. link
I would like to lend my support to the comments regarding other traffic measures - this is a treacherous junction. Whilst I appreciate it's not in scope for this project, I would call upon TFL to consider further projects.
Chris Flynn asked 4 months agoThank you for your comments and observations concerning this scheme. Safety is our top priority and is the reason that we are installing the crossing here.
Once we have installed the new crossing, we will continue to monitor changes to ensure that the intervention meets the desired objectives and will consider supplementary measures to support the safety of all road users.
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Share This is a good proposal as crossing the road is either at the behest of vehicles stopping or there is a break in the traffic, whichever it is an informal ad hoc provision. The zebra crossing thereby makes in quite clear in the pedestrian’s favour and allows one to cross the entire road rather than get isolated on the central refuge area which is not a great or safe feeling. Overall a positive amendment. on Facebook Share This is a good proposal as crossing the road is either at the behest of vehicles stopping or there is a break in the traffic, whichever it is an informal ad hoc provision. The zebra crossing thereby makes in quite clear in the pedestrian’s favour and allows one to cross the entire road rather than get isolated on the central refuge area which is not a great or safe feeling. Overall a positive amendment. on Twitter Share This is a good proposal as crossing the road is either at the behest of vehicles stopping or there is a break in the traffic, whichever it is an informal ad hoc provision. The zebra crossing thereby makes in quite clear in the pedestrian’s favour and allows one to cross the entire road rather than get isolated on the central refuge area which is not a great or safe feeling. Overall a positive amendment. on Linkedin Email This is a good proposal as crossing the road is either at the behest of vehicles stopping or there is a break in the traffic, whichever it is an informal ad hoc provision. The zebra crossing thereby makes in quite clear in the pedestrian’s favour and allows one to cross the entire road rather than get isolated on the central refuge area which is not a great or safe feeling. Overall a positive amendment. link
This is a good proposal as crossing the road is either at the behest of vehicles stopping or there is a break in the traffic, whichever it is an informal ad hoc provision. The zebra crossing thereby makes in quite clear in the pedestrian’s favour and allows one to cross the entire road rather than get isolated on the central refuge area which is not a great or safe feeling. Overall a positive amendment.
Robert Poole asked 4 months agoThank you for your comments and for supporting the scheme. Safety is our top priority and is the reason that we are installing the crossing here.
There is planning and design work as well as statutory obligations which we must comply with before we can install the crossing. Our current programme shows that early 2025 is the earliest opportunity for the installation.
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Share Good Evening I’m pleased this has finally been taken seriously. It should not have taken so many children to get injured for this to happen. It is only luck there have been no fatalities. Please also implement road barriers outside the primary school. Lorries speed down the road and 4x4s mount the pavement. There have also been numerous accidents hayes lane junction with Godstone Road. This is as bad if not worse than the main road. This needs to be included in the safety plan. Kind Regards Elaine on Facebook Share Good Evening I’m pleased this has finally been taken seriously. It should not have taken so many children to get injured for this to happen. It is only luck there have been no fatalities. Please also implement road barriers outside the primary school. Lorries speed down the road and 4x4s mount the pavement. There have also been numerous accidents hayes lane junction with Godstone Road. This is as bad if not worse than the main road. This needs to be included in the safety plan. Kind Regards Elaine on Twitter Share Good Evening I’m pleased this has finally been taken seriously. It should not have taken so many children to get injured for this to happen. It is only luck there have been no fatalities. Please also implement road barriers outside the primary school. Lorries speed down the road and 4x4s mount the pavement. There have also been numerous accidents hayes lane junction with Godstone Road. This is as bad if not worse than the main road. This needs to be included in the safety plan. Kind Regards Elaine on Linkedin Email Good Evening I’m pleased this has finally been taken seriously. It should not have taken so many children to get injured for this to happen. It is only luck there have been no fatalities. Please also implement road barriers outside the primary school. Lorries speed down the road and 4x4s mount the pavement. There have also been numerous accidents hayes lane junction with Godstone Road. This is as bad if not worse than the main road. This needs to be included in the safety plan. Kind Regards Elaine link
Good Evening I’m pleased this has finally been taken seriously. It should not have taken so many children to get injured for this to happen. It is only luck there have been no fatalities. Please also implement road barriers outside the primary school. Lorries speed down the road and 4x4s mount the pavement. There have also been numerous accidents hayes lane junction with Godstone Road. This is as bad if not worse than the main road. This needs to be included in the safety plan. Kind Regards Elaine
Lainey asked 4 months agoThank you for your comments and observations concerning this scheme. Safety is our top priority and is the reason that we are installing the crossing here. We will certainly consider all options to ensure a safe crossing point.
There is planning and design work as well as statutory obligations which we must comply with before we can install the crossing. Our current programme shows that early 2025 is the earliest opportunity for the installation.
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Share A pelican crossing with lights, rather than a Zebra crossing would be better, but any safety improvement is welcome. on Facebook Share A pelican crossing with lights, rather than a Zebra crossing would be better, but any safety improvement is welcome. on Twitter Share A pelican crossing with lights, rather than a Zebra crossing would be better, but any safety improvement is welcome. on Linkedin Email A pelican crossing with lights, rather than a Zebra crossing would be better, but any safety improvement is welcome. link
A pelican crossing with lights, rather than a Zebra crossing would be better, but any safety improvement is welcome.
IRH asked 4 months agoThank you for your comments and for supporting the scheme. Safety is our top priority and is the reason that we are installing the crossing here.
There is planning and design work as well as statutory obligations which we must comply with before we can install the crossing. Our current programme shows that early 2025 is the earliest opportunity for the installation.
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Share This is a 'high traffic' main road, why are you not considering a traffic light crossing? on Facebook Share This is a 'high traffic' main road, why are you not considering a traffic light crossing? on Twitter Share This is a 'high traffic' main road, why are you not considering a traffic light crossing? on Linkedin Email This is a 'high traffic' main road, why are you not considering a traffic light crossing? link
This is a 'high traffic' main road, why are you not considering a traffic light crossing?
seanfishing asked 4 months agoThank you for your comment. Safety is our top priority and is the reason that we are installing the crossing here.
There are advantages and disadvantages to both signalised and zebra crossings and these are determined by pedestrian and vehicle flows, vehicle speeds and site-specific issues.
A signalised crossing at this site this is likely to create two issues.
Firstly, pedestrians are more likely to choose to cross before a green pedestrian signal is given and, if pedestrians do wait, the narrow northern footway could become congested during peak periods of footfall, especially when passengers alight from eastbound buses.
A zebra crossing empowers pedestrians to exert immediate priority over vehicles, one advantage of which will be prevention of overcrowding on the footway.
Having conducted modelling and speed surveys at this location, we believe that the zebra crossing at this location is the correct intervention.
The zebra crossing will be made visible to drivers by the use of standard belisha beacons. The crossing will also be on a raised platform ('a hump') which will encourage drivers to slow down. There will also be road signage before the crossing that will alert drivers and give them advanced warning to reduce their speed.
We also looked to widen the northern footway, but this wasn’t feasible as it could only be achieved by taking Common Land, which was not possible, or by narrowing the carriageway and removing the pedestrian refuge island which would further impact.
Once we have concluded our engagement on this proposal, we will continue with planning and design work as well as statutory obligations ahead of the installation of the crossing. In turn, which we expect the crossing to be installed in early 2025.
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Share You’re currently making improvements along the Godstone Road, with lots of temporary traffic lights, why can’t the pedestrian crossing be installed at the same time? on Facebook Share You’re currently making improvements along the Godstone Road, with lots of temporary traffic lights, why can’t the pedestrian crossing be installed at the same time? on Twitter Share You’re currently making improvements along the Godstone Road, with lots of temporary traffic lights, why can’t the pedestrian crossing be installed at the same time? on Linkedin Email You’re currently making improvements along the Godstone Road, with lots of temporary traffic lights, why can’t the pedestrian crossing be installed at the same time? link
You’re currently making improvements along the Godstone Road, with lots of temporary traffic lights, why can’t the pedestrian crossing be installed at the same time?
SandraF asked 4 months agoThank you for your comments and for supporting the scheme. Safety is our top priority and is the reason that we are installing the crossing here.
There is planning and design work as well as statutory obligations which we must comply with before we can install the crossing. Our current programme shows that early 2025 is the earliest opportunity for the installation.
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FAQs
- Can TfL install a different type of crossing, for example one controlled with traffic lights?
- Can the crossing be completed earlier than 2025?
- Can speed cameras be installed on this section of the road?
- Can changes also be made at the junction with Hayes Lane?
- Could school crossing patrols (‘lollypop ladies’) be used on the crossing?
- Can the pavement next to the crossing be made wider?
- What kind of signage will be installed by the crossing?
- Will the crossing have improved lighting as this area can get very dark?