R1, R2, R3, R6 and B14 – Orpington bus proposals

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Consultation has concluded

Update 11 March 2024

Today we have published the results of this consultation. We received 445 responses to the consultation and would like to thank everyone that took part.

Following careful consideration of the consultation responses and a further review of what was proposed and the costs involved, we have decided not to proceed with changes to routes R1, R2 and R3 as these no longer represent value for money.

We have not yet reached a decision as to how we may proceed with changes to routes R6 and B14 which remain subject to the receipt of bus operator costs. A decision is expected later in 2024 and we will write to you again with a further update once this is available.

Thank you again to everyone that took part in the consultation.

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Update 7 November 2023

This consultation has now closed. Thank you to everyone who responded. We are analysing your feedback and will report back shortly.

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We’re proposing changes to some Orpington bus services and would like to hear your views. These include changes to bus routes R1, R3, and B14 which would see them replace routes R2 and R6.

On this page you can find out more about the proposals, how they may impact you, and how you can have your say.

Bus routes serving Orpington town centre

Route proposals in detail

Equalities Impact Assessment

Background

How you can find out more

Tell us your views

What happens next

Bus routes serving Orpington town centre

Photograph of bus stop at Orpington stationOur proposals aim to provide some new and improved local bus connections in Orpington.

These could help encourage more use of public transport, while continuing to provide regular bus services to popular destinations in the area.

These include, between:

  • The Princess Royal University Hospital (PRUH) and Petts Wood rail station
  • Petts Wood and Green Street Green
  • Biggin Hill Valley and Orpington rail station
  • Biggin Hill Valley and St Mary Cray rail station
  • Areas east of Orpington High Street, north towards Bexleyheath and Sidcup

Route proposals in detail

These proposals are presented in three sections for quick access to the information that interests you. You can view the proposals for each section via the links below:

1. Proposal to reroute the R3 via Towncourt Lane in Petts Wood

2. Proposal to withdraw the R2 and replace it with changes to the R1 and the R3

3. Proposal to withdraw the R6 and replace it with changes to the B14

The following map provides an overview of the proposed route changes. More maps can be viewed in detail via the maps section to the right of this page.

R1 R2 R3 R6 B14 route map(Click on the map for a larger image)

Equalities Impact Assessment

We have undertaken an initial Equality Impact Assessment (EqIA) for these proposals. The EqIA identifies and examines in more detail what positive and negative impacts these proposals may have on individuals with protected characteristics together with our equality objectives and how we propose to mitigate any negative impacts.

The impacts and mitigations described within the full EqIA will be considered as part of the decision-making process to determine whether we will proceed with the proposals. The EqIA will be kept under review and updated to reflect any relevant new information, including information which comes in as part of the consultation process.

The full document is available to read and download from the document library.

Background

We continuously review and adapt the bus network to reflect changing customer needs. This includes proposing adjustments to bus existing routes, to ensure services can continue to operate efficiently in areas where our customers need them most.

London’s bus network is our most affordable, accessible, and available form of public transport and offers the main sustainable alternative to cars for those journeys that can’t easily be walked or cycled. It is also London’s most flexible mode of public transport. You can read more about how we are increasing the number of bus journeys by making bus travel better, quicker, and greener in our Bus action plan.

How you can find out more

You can use the question tool on this page during the consultation period. We will respond your questions as soon as we can.

If you need to translate this page into another language, please use the ‘Select language’ button at the bottom of this page.

We have provided more information to help you respond. Visit the maps and document library for:

Connecting with London's deaf community on our consultations

  • British Sign Language video and audio versions of the proposal and survey

To further enhance how we engage and consult with London's deaf community we are trialling a British Sign Language (BSL) consultation conversation service for this consultation. This service will allow the TfL consultation lead to have a two-way BSL translated discussion on any aspect of this consultation with a BSL speaker.

To request a BSL consultation conversation please contact us at haveyoursay@tfl.gov.uk and we will be in contact to arrange this at a convenient time. Following this trial, we will evaluate the service to determine if this is something we are able to offer on other consultations in the future.

What happens next

These proposals are subject to the outcome of our consultation. Once consultation ends on Wednesday 1 November 2023, we will spend time considering all the responses we receive and will prepare a consultation report.

The consultation report will help us reach a decision about how bus routes R1, R2, R3, R6 and B14 may change in Orpington.

The report will be available to everyone that takes part in the consultation and a copy will be published on our website.


Update 11 March 2024

Today we have published the results of this consultation. We received 445 responses to the consultation and would like to thank everyone that took part.

Following careful consideration of the consultation responses and a further review of what was proposed and the costs involved, we have decided not to proceed with changes to routes R1, R2 and R3 as these no longer represent value for money.

We have not yet reached a decision as to how we may proceed with changes to routes R6 and B14 which remain subject to the receipt of bus operator costs. A decision is expected later in 2024 and we will write to you again with a further update once this is available.

Thank you again to everyone that took part in the consultation.

-update ends-

Update 7 November 2023

This consultation has now closed. Thank you to everyone who responded. We are analysing your feedback and will report back shortly.

-update ends-

We’re proposing changes to some Orpington bus services and would like to hear your views. These include changes to bus routes R1, R3, and B14 which would see them replace routes R2 and R6.

On this page you can find out more about the proposals, how they may impact you, and how you can have your say.

Bus routes serving Orpington town centre

Route proposals in detail

Equalities Impact Assessment

Background

How you can find out more

Tell us your views

What happens next

Bus routes serving Orpington town centre

Photograph of bus stop at Orpington stationOur proposals aim to provide some new and improved local bus connections in Orpington.

These could help encourage more use of public transport, while continuing to provide regular bus services to popular destinations in the area.

These include, between:

  • The Princess Royal University Hospital (PRUH) and Petts Wood rail station
  • Petts Wood and Green Street Green
  • Biggin Hill Valley and Orpington rail station
  • Biggin Hill Valley and St Mary Cray rail station
  • Areas east of Orpington High Street, north towards Bexleyheath and Sidcup

Route proposals in detail

These proposals are presented in three sections for quick access to the information that interests you. You can view the proposals for each section via the links below:

1. Proposal to reroute the R3 via Towncourt Lane in Petts Wood

2. Proposal to withdraw the R2 and replace it with changes to the R1 and the R3

3. Proposal to withdraw the R6 and replace it with changes to the B14

The following map provides an overview of the proposed route changes. More maps can be viewed in detail via the maps section to the right of this page.

R1 R2 R3 R6 B14 route map(Click on the map for a larger image)

Equalities Impact Assessment

We have undertaken an initial Equality Impact Assessment (EqIA) for these proposals. The EqIA identifies and examines in more detail what positive and negative impacts these proposals may have on individuals with protected characteristics together with our equality objectives and how we propose to mitigate any negative impacts.

The impacts and mitigations described within the full EqIA will be considered as part of the decision-making process to determine whether we will proceed with the proposals. The EqIA will be kept under review and updated to reflect any relevant new information, including information which comes in as part of the consultation process.

The full document is available to read and download from the document library.

Background

We continuously review and adapt the bus network to reflect changing customer needs. This includes proposing adjustments to bus existing routes, to ensure services can continue to operate efficiently in areas where our customers need them most.

London’s bus network is our most affordable, accessible, and available form of public transport and offers the main sustainable alternative to cars for those journeys that can’t easily be walked or cycled. It is also London’s most flexible mode of public transport. You can read more about how we are increasing the number of bus journeys by making bus travel better, quicker, and greener in our Bus action plan.

How you can find out more

You can use the question tool on this page during the consultation period. We will respond your questions as soon as we can.

If you need to translate this page into another language, please use the ‘Select language’ button at the bottom of this page.

We have provided more information to help you respond. Visit the maps and document library for:

Connecting with London's deaf community on our consultations

  • British Sign Language video and audio versions of the proposal and survey

To further enhance how we engage and consult with London's deaf community we are trialling a British Sign Language (BSL) consultation conversation service for this consultation. This service will allow the TfL consultation lead to have a two-way BSL translated discussion on any aspect of this consultation with a BSL speaker.

To request a BSL consultation conversation please contact us at haveyoursay@tfl.gov.uk and we will be in contact to arrange this at a convenient time. Following this trial, we will evaluate the service to determine if this is something we are able to offer on other consultations in the future.

What happens next

These proposals are subject to the outcome of our consultation. Once consultation ends on Wednesday 1 November 2023, we will spend time considering all the responses we receive and will prepare a consultation report.

The consultation report will help us reach a decision about how bus routes R1, R2, R3, R6 and B14 may change in Orpington.

The report will be available to everyone that takes part in the consultation and a copy will be published on our website.


Consultation has concluded

If you have any questions about the scheme, you can ask us here. We will then aim to get back to you.

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  • Share Will the r1 continue to run at night after 2200 if it changes to the proposed extension to biggin Hill? on Facebook Share Will the r1 continue to run at night after 2200 if it changes to the proposed extension to biggin Hill? on Twitter Share Will the r1 continue to run at night after 2200 if it changes to the proposed extension to biggin Hill? on Linkedin Email Will the r1 continue to run at night after 2200 if it changes to the proposed extension to biggin Hill? link

    Will the r1 continue to run at night after 2200 if it changes to the proposed extension to biggin Hill?

    Lostboy asked 6 months ago

    Thank you for your question. Yes the R1 would keep its current timetable it its route were to change as proposed.

  • Share How frequent will the r3 be? Will there more or less per hour than r1 from Green street green. Will they run sundays on Facebook Share How frequent will the r3 be? Will there more or less per hour than r1 from Green street green. Will they run sundays on Twitter Share How frequent will the r3 be? Will there more or less per hour than r1 from Green street green. Will they run sundays on Linkedin Email How frequent will the r3 be? Will there more or less per hour than r1 from Green street green. Will they run sundays link

    How frequent will the r3 be? Will there more or less per hour than r1 from Green street green. Will they run sundays

    Esracimen asked 7 months ago

    We are not intending to change bus route frequencies as part of this consultation. The R3 currently operates with a bus every 20 minutes during the day, Monday to Saturday and every half hour on Sunday.  This matches the current frequency of the R1.

  • Share Given the changes proposed to the R1 this will leave no service connecting Repton Road, Chelsfield Station and Glentrammon Road - what service do you intend to serve these roads? on Facebook Share Given the changes proposed to the R1 this will leave no service connecting Repton Road, Chelsfield Station and Glentrammon Road - what service do you intend to serve these roads? on Twitter Share Given the changes proposed to the R1 this will leave no service connecting Repton Road, Chelsfield Station and Glentrammon Road - what service do you intend to serve these roads? on Linkedin Email Given the changes proposed to the R1 this will leave no service connecting Repton Road, Chelsfield Station and Glentrammon Road - what service do you intend to serve these roads? link

    Given the changes proposed to the R1 this will leave no service connecting Repton Road, Chelsfield Station and Glentrammon Road - what service do you intend to serve these roads?

    Rose9 asked 7 months ago

    Thank you for your question. As part of this package of proposals, we intend to change the routeing of the R3. If the R1 were to be changed as proposed it would be directly replaced by changes to the R3 service. There would be no change to your bus service, however your route number would change from R1 to R3. Please also view our proposals maps where this is demonstrated.

  • Share The R2 will be very useful for Darrick/Ravens Wood kids, But then if the bus leaves he company, what happens if they’re late? If the R1 goes to Biggin Hill Valley, Wouldn’t it have 2 Doors? If the R3 goes to Green Street Green, Wouldn’t it have the same model as the R1? If the R6 leaves the company, What will happen to elderly people?, Wouldn’t they have to walk 40 minutes to St Mary Cray?!? If the B14 changes route, Which bus will go to Bexleyheath Shopping Centre then?, And would the bus that replaces B14 to go to Bexleyheath Shopping Centre (if they do) wouldn’t it be a Stagecoach Bus? Wouldn’t you make more money if you had more buses? I believe the changes will be worse if it happens. But you know the R9 Bus, I DON’T SEE THE POINT OF IT Because it is an 11 Minute Route. So then the R9 would be the least populated R Bus/Bus in Orpington. Maybe instead of removing R2 and R6 and changing routes for B14, R1 and R3. REMOVE THE R9!!! So what’s the point of removing the R2 and R6 even though they are not the least populated R Bus/Bus in Orpington but keeping the R9 as it’s the least populated R Bus/Bus in Orpington! on Facebook Share The R2 will be very useful for Darrick/Ravens Wood kids, But then if the bus leaves he company, what happens if they’re late? If the R1 goes to Biggin Hill Valley, Wouldn’t it have 2 Doors? If the R3 goes to Green Street Green, Wouldn’t it have the same model as the R1? If the R6 leaves the company, What will happen to elderly people?, Wouldn’t they have to walk 40 minutes to St Mary Cray?!? If the B14 changes route, Which bus will go to Bexleyheath Shopping Centre then?, And would the bus that replaces B14 to go to Bexleyheath Shopping Centre (if they do) wouldn’t it be a Stagecoach Bus? Wouldn’t you make more money if you had more buses? I believe the changes will be worse if it happens. But you know the R9 Bus, I DON’T SEE THE POINT OF IT Because it is an 11 Minute Route. So then the R9 would be the least populated R Bus/Bus in Orpington. Maybe instead of removing R2 and R6 and changing routes for B14, R1 and R3. REMOVE THE R9!!! So what’s the point of removing the R2 and R6 even though they are not the least populated R Bus/Bus in Orpington but keeping the R9 as it’s the least populated R Bus/Bus in Orpington! on Twitter Share The R2 will be very useful for Darrick/Ravens Wood kids, But then if the bus leaves he company, what happens if they’re late? If the R1 goes to Biggin Hill Valley, Wouldn’t it have 2 Doors? If the R3 goes to Green Street Green, Wouldn’t it have the same model as the R1? If the R6 leaves the company, What will happen to elderly people?, Wouldn’t they have to walk 40 minutes to St Mary Cray?!? If the B14 changes route, Which bus will go to Bexleyheath Shopping Centre then?, And would the bus that replaces B14 to go to Bexleyheath Shopping Centre (if they do) wouldn’t it be a Stagecoach Bus? Wouldn’t you make more money if you had more buses? I believe the changes will be worse if it happens. But you know the R9 Bus, I DON’T SEE THE POINT OF IT Because it is an 11 Minute Route. So then the R9 would be the least populated R Bus/Bus in Orpington. Maybe instead of removing R2 and R6 and changing routes for B14, R1 and R3. REMOVE THE R9!!! So what’s the point of removing the R2 and R6 even though they are not the least populated R Bus/Bus in Orpington but keeping the R9 as it’s the least populated R Bus/Bus in Orpington! on Linkedin Email The R2 will be very useful for Darrick/Ravens Wood kids, But then if the bus leaves he company, what happens if they’re late? If the R1 goes to Biggin Hill Valley, Wouldn’t it have 2 Doors? If the R3 goes to Green Street Green, Wouldn’t it have the same model as the R1? If the R6 leaves the company, What will happen to elderly people?, Wouldn’t they have to walk 40 minutes to St Mary Cray?!? If the B14 changes route, Which bus will go to Bexleyheath Shopping Centre then?, And would the bus that replaces B14 to go to Bexleyheath Shopping Centre (if they do) wouldn’t it be a Stagecoach Bus? Wouldn’t you make more money if you had more buses? I believe the changes will be worse if it happens. But you know the R9 Bus, I DON’T SEE THE POINT OF IT Because it is an 11 Minute Route. So then the R9 would be the least populated R Bus/Bus in Orpington. Maybe instead of removing R2 and R6 and changing routes for B14, R1 and R3. REMOVE THE R9!!! So what’s the point of removing the R2 and R6 even though they are not the least populated R Bus/Bus in Orpington but keeping the R9 as it’s the least populated R Bus/Bus in Orpington! link

    The R2 will be very useful for Darrick/Ravens Wood kids, But then if the bus leaves he company, what happens if they’re late? If the R1 goes to Biggin Hill Valley, Wouldn’t it have 2 Doors? If the R3 goes to Green Street Green, Wouldn’t it have the same model as the R1? If the R6 leaves the company, What will happen to elderly people?, Wouldn’t they have to walk 40 minutes to St Mary Cray?!? If the B14 changes route, Which bus will go to Bexleyheath Shopping Centre then?, And would the bus that replaces B14 to go to Bexleyheath Shopping Centre (if they do) wouldn’t it be a Stagecoach Bus? Wouldn’t you make more money if you had more buses? I believe the changes will be worse if it happens. But you know the R9 Bus, I DON’T SEE THE POINT OF IT Because it is an 11 Minute Route. So then the R9 would be the least populated R Bus/Bus in Orpington. Maybe instead of removing R2 and R6 and changing routes for B14, R1 and R3. REMOVE THE R9!!! So what’s the point of removing the R2 and R6 even though they are not the least populated R Bus/Bus in Orpington but keeping the R9 as it’s the least populated R Bus/Bus in Orpington!

    Gamertag asked 7 months ago

    Thank you for your comments. This question and answer facility is to assist people who may be preparing to comment on the proposals for routes R1, R2, R3, R6 and B14, and require some further information to assist them. If you wish to submit a formal comment about the proposals we have set out, then we invite you to complete the survey on the main web page, or email your thoughts so these can be officially recorded.

    Please note the our response to the questions identified:

    - If the R2 were to be withdrawn, changes to the R1 would replace it

    - Vehicle models would be confirmed once a decision on how we might proceed with these proposals has been made

    - If the R6 were to no longer run, it would be replaced by the changes we propose for the B14

    - Customers that currently use the R6 between St Mary Cray and Orpington could use the B14 instead, or the R11

    - Proposed changes to the B14 would apply to its route between St Mary Cray and Orpington bus station only. There would be no change to its routeing between St Mary Cray and Bexleyheath Shopping Centre. It would continue to serve Bexleyheath as now

  • Share Could you please provide clarity, because some of the information is misleading. 1. First it would be useful to have an interactive map showing the location - by letter - of the current bus stops. 2. The R2 is currently listed as stopping at Orpington bus station. It does not. That's the R8. However, it does stop immediately outside the station, which I presume is stop G. 3. The proposed route for the R1 also lists Orpington bus station. However, on the section "How this may change your journey", it states that the rerouted R1 will not stop at stop at the Bus Station (are these stops E & F). It also says that the bus won't stop at G, which is the stop immediately outside the station, but that further stops will be provided along Crofton Road. Could you please confirm exactly where the R1 will stop in relation to the railway station, on the journey from Biggin Hill towards St. Paul's Cray. This is an extremely important bus stop. Could you please also confirm the location of the bus stop opposite the station on the journey towards Biggin Hill. Is it the stop currently used by the R2? With many thanks, Spitfire1 on Facebook Share Could you please provide clarity, because some of the information is misleading. 1. First it would be useful to have an interactive map showing the location - by letter - of the current bus stops. 2. The R2 is currently listed as stopping at Orpington bus station. It does not. That's the R8. However, it does stop immediately outside the station, which I presume is stop G. 3. The proposed route for the R1 also lists Orpington bus station. However, on the section "How this may change your journey", it states that the rerouted R1 will not stop at stop at the Bus Station (are these stops E & F). It also says that the bus won't stop at G, which is the stop immediately outside the station, but that further stops will be provided along Crofton Road. Could you please confirm exactly where the R1 will stop in relation to the railway station, on the journey from Biggin Hill towards St. Paul's Cray. This is an extremely important bus stop. Could you please also confirm the location of the bus stop opposite the station on the journey towards Biggin Hill. Is it the stop currently used by the R2? With many thanks, Spitfire1 on Twitter Share Could you please provide clarity, because some of the information is misleading. 1. First it would be useful to have an interactive map showing the location - by letter - of the current bus stops. 2. The R2 is currently listed as stopping at Orpington bus station. It does not. That's the R8. However, it does stop immediately outside the station, which I presume is stop G. 3. The proposed route for the R1 also lists Orpington bus station. However, on the section "How this may change your journey", it states that the rerouted R1 will not stop at stop at the Bus Station (are these stops E & F). It also says that the bus won't stop at G, which is the stop immediately outside the station, but that further stops will be provided along Crofton Road. Could you please confirm exactly where the R1 will stop in relation to the railway station, on the journey from Biggin Hill towards St. Paul's Cray. This is an extremely important bus stop. Could you please also confirm the location of the bus stop opposite the station on the journey towards Biggin Hill. Is it the stop currently used by the R2? With many thanks, Spitfire1 on Linkedin Email Could you please provide clarity, because some of the information is misleading. 1. First it would be useful to have an interactive map showing the location - by letter - of the current bus stops. 2. The R2 is currently listed as stopping at Orpington bus station. It does not. That's the R8. However, it does stop immediately outside the station, which I presume is stop G. 3. The proposed route for the R1 also lists Orpington bus station. However, on the section "How this may change your journey", it states that the rerouted R1 will not stop at stop at the Bus Station (are these stops E & F). It also says that the bus won't stop at G, which is the stop immediately outside the station, but that further stops will be provided along Crofton Road. Could you please confirm exactly where the R1 will stop in relation to the railway station, on the journey from Biggin Hill towards St. Paul's Cray. This is an extremely important bus stop. Could you please also confirm the location of the bus stop opposite the station on the journey towards Biggin Hill. Is it the stop currently used by the R2? With many thanks, Spitfire1 link

    Could you please provide clarity, because some of the information is misleading. 1. First it would be useful to have an interactive map showing the location - by letter - of the current bus stops. 2. The R2 is currently listed as stopping at Orpington bus station. It does not. That's the R8. However, it does stop immediately outside the station, which I presume is stop G. 3. The proposed route for the R1 also lists Orpington bus station. However, on the section "How this may change your journey", it states that the rerouted R1 will not stop at stop at the Bus Station (are these stops E & F). It also says that the bus won't stop at G, which is the stop immediately outside the station, but that further stops will be provided along Crofton Road. Could you please confirm exactly where the R1 will stop in relation to the railway station, on the journey from Biggin Hill towards St. Paul's Cray. This is an extremely important bus stop. Could you please also confirm the location of the bus stop opposite the station on the journey towards Biggin Hill. Is it the stop currently used by the R2? With many thanks, Spitfire1

    Spitfire1 asked 8 months ago

    Thank you for your questions.  We can confirm the proposed stops for the R1 in relation to the railway station as follows:

    For journeys towards St Paul's Cray, the R1 is proposed to stop at 'B' and 'H' on Crofton Road  / Station Road. This is in line with existing routes arriving from the west of Orpington Station.

    Opposite the station, for journeys towards Biggin Hill, the R1 is proposed to serve stop J on Station Road and Stop A on Crofton Road.

  • Share What size vehicle do you propose to use on the R1? The small buses used currently on this route would struggle in the mornings/afternoons when there are significant flows from the High Street/station to the PRUH and Darrick/Ravens Wood schools (and vice versa) which the larger buses on the R2 are useful for? on Facebook Share What size vehicle do you propose to use on the R1? The small buses used currently on this route would struggle in the mornings/afternoons when there are significant flows from the High Street/station to the PRUH and Darrick/Ravens Wood schools (and vice versa) which the larger buses on the R2 are useful for? on Twitter Share What size vehicle do you propose to use on the R1? The small buses used currently on this route would struggle in the mornings/afternoons when there are significant flows from the High Street/station to the PRUH and Darrick/Ravens Wood schools (and vice versa) which the larger buses on the R2 are useful for? on Linkedin Email What size vehicle do you propose to use on the R1? The small buses used currently on this route would struggle in the mornings/afternoons when there are significant flows from the High Street/station to the PRUH and Darrick/Ravens Wood schools (and vice versa) which the larger buses on the R2 are useful for? link

    What size vehicle do you propose to use on the R1? The small buses used currently on this route would struggle in the mornings/afternoons when there are significant flows from the High Street/station to the PRUH and Darrick/Ravens Wood schools (and vice versa) which the larger buses on the R2 are useful for?

    Definiteness asked 8 months ago

    Thank you for your question. Subject to the outcome of the consultation, the vehicle size / type would be confirmed at a later date  and we would aim to ensure that vehicle capacity would be suitably matched with customer demand for space on board.

  • Share Will the B14 run all day on Sundays under this proposal as the R6 does now? Currently the last B14 leaves Orpington at 17:10 on Facebook Share Will the B14 run all day on Sundays under this proposal as the R6 does now? Currently the last B14 leaves Orpington at 17:10 on Twitter Share Will the B14 run all day on Sundays under this proposal as the R6 does now? Currently the last B14 leaves Orpington at 17:10 on Linkedin Email Will the B14 run all day on Sundays under this proposal as the R6 does now? Currently the last B14 leaves Orpington at 17:10 link

    Will the B14 run all day on Sundays under this proposal as the R6 does now? Currently the last B14 leaves Orpington at 17:10

    Definiteness asked 8 months ago

    Thank you for your question. Under these proposals the operating hours of the B14 would be amended to match that of the current R6, and would run at two buses per hour throughout the week.

  • Share Would there be a possibility of making changes to route B14 as well in the Sidcup area for a more direct route to Bexleyheath via Sidcup Station? on Facebook Share Would there be a possibility of making changes to route B14 as well in the Sidcup area for a more direct route to Bexleyheath via Sidcup Station? on Twitter Share Would there be a possibility of making changes to route B14 as well in the Sidcup area for a more direct route to Bexleyheath via Sidcup Station? on Linkedin Email Would there be a possibility of making changes to route B14 as well in the Sidcup area for a more direct route to Bexleyheath via Sidcup Station? link

    Would there be a possibility of making changes to route B14 as well in the Sidcup area for a more direct route to Bexleyheath via Sidcup Station?

    CharlieGaze asked 8 months ago

    Thank you for your comment. This question and answer facility is to assist people commenting on proposals for routes R1, R2, R3, R6 and B14. Therefore we will note your suggestion and share this with our planning team for future reference.

  • Share Why isn't the R4, being revamped? It's unreliable, takes too long from Orpington - till the last stop in St. pauls cray. The buses are always dirty, and the whole bus shakes/rattles when moving. Thus really uncomfortable and unpleasant to use for people with disabilities to use! The operator, clearly spends next to nothing on the maintenance of these buses. on Facebook Share Why isn't the R4, being revamped? It's unreliable, takes too long from Orpington - till the last stop in St. pauls cray. The buses are always dirty, and the whole bus shakes/rattles when moving. Thus really uncomfortable and unpleasant to use for people with disabilities to use! The operator, clearly spends next to nothing on the maintenance of these buses. on Twitter Share Why isn't the R4, being revamped? It's unreliable, takes too long from Orpington - till the last stop in St. pauls cray. The buses are always dirty, and the whole bus shakes/rattles when moving. Thus really uncomfortable and unpleasant to use for people with disabilities to use! The operator, clearly spends next to nothing on the maintenance of these buses. on Linkedin Email Why isn't the R4, being revamped? It's unreliable, takes too long from Orpington - till the last stop in St. pauls cray. The buses are always dirty, and the whole bus shakes/rattles when moving. Thus really uncomfortable and unpleasant to use for people with disabilities to use! The operator, clearly spends next to nothing on the maintenance of these buses. link

    Why isn't the R4, being revamped? It's unreliable, takes too long from Orpington - till the last stop in St. pauls cray. The buses are always dirty, and the whole bus shakes/rattles when moving. Thus really uncomfortable and unpleasant to use for people with disabilities to use! The operator, clearly spends next to nothing on the maintenance of these buses.

    Fragma09 asked 8 months ago

    Thank you for your comment. This question and answer facility is to assist people commenting on proposals for routes R1, R2, R3, R6 and B14. We have therefore passed on your complaints related to your R4 bus journey to our colleagues in Customer Services.

    If you have any further comments related to London buses then please feel free to log your issues on our website, or to contact our customer services team. This way we are able to investigate issues and provide you with an official response in a more timely fashion. Customer services can be contacted via our website here: https://tfl.gov.uk/help-and-contact/contact-us-about-buses

  • Share Hi I'm really confused about the R3 route changes, it doesn't show any changes on the map at the high street but the text states it won't stop at walnuts etc. Which I must say is where most people exit especially disabled and buggy passengers? I couldn't understand why this is or what the alternative was. Also does it still stop the same side of the station as R3 is crossed off at the station but the route shows it going there? So very unclear, many thanks on Facebook Share Hi I'm really confused about the R3 route changes, it doesn't show any changes on the map at the high street but the text states it won't stop at walnuts etc. Which I must say is where most people exit especially disabled and buggy passengers? I couldn't understand why this is or what the alternative was. Also does it still stop the same side of the station as R3 is crossed off at the station but the route shows it going there? So very unclear, many thanks on Twitter Share Hi I'm really confused about the R3 route changes, it doesn't show any changes on the map at the high street but the text states it won't stop at walnuts etc. Which I must say is where most people exit especially disabled and buggy passengers? I couldn't understand why this is or what the alternative was. Also does it still stop the same side of the station as R3 is crossed off at the station but the route shows it going there? So very unclear, many thanks on Linkedin Email Hi I'm really confused about the R3 route changes, it doesn't show any changes on the map at the high street but the text states it won't stop at walnuts etc. Which I must say is where most people exit especially disabled and buggy passengers? I couldn't understand why this is or what the alternative was. Also does it still stop the same side of the station as R3 is crossed off at the station but the route shows it going there? So very unclear, many thanks link

    Hi I'm really confused about the R3 route changes, it doesn't show any changes on the map at the high street but the text states it won't stop at walnuts etc. Which I must say is where most people exit especially disabled and buggy passengers? I couldn't understand why this is or what the alternative was. Also does it still stop the same side of the station as R3 is crossed off at the station but the route shows it going there? So very unclear, many thanks

    Klou asked 8 months ago

    Thank you for your comments. Under these proposals the R3 would continue serving its existing stops at both Orpington High Street and Orpington Station. 

    Please also note the R3 symbol, crossed out on the proposal map is intended to demonstrate how the R3 would no longer start/end at Orpington bus station. We are proposing it would have a new start and end point at Green Street Green, if it were to replace the R1.