Kidbrooke Village - proposed changes to bus routes 178, 335 and B16
We would like to hear your views about a proposal to change parts of bus routes 178, 335 and B16 in Kidbrooke Village, Royal Borough of Greenwich.
On this page you can read more about what is proposed and how this may impact you. You can also view maps, ask questions, give feedback, and find out about other ways to get in touch and take part.
Background
What is proposed our route by route guide
Planning for the future
Equalities Impact Assessment
How you can find out more
Tell us your views
What happens next
Background
London’s bus network is our most affordable, accessible, and available form of public transport and offers the main sustainable alternative to cars for those journeys that cannot easily be walked or cycled. It is also London’s most flexible mode of public transport.
We continuously review and adapt the bus network to reflect changing customer needs. This includes responding to serving new homes and emerging new communities such as those in Kidbrooke Village.
Read more about how we are increasing the number of bus journeys by making bus travel better, faster and greener in our Bus action plan.
What is proposed our route by route guide
Click here to view a larger imageOur proposals are designed to support the ongoing regeneration of Kidbrooke Village which has seen changes to the local road network and in time will see the closure of Cambert Way to enable the delivery of new housing.
The proposals seek to simplify bus routeings and better serve the station and local amenities on Pegler Square.
The scheme means the bus stops and stand on Ryan Close would no longer be served by buses. This would happen anyway, because a future phase of development will close Cambert Way leading to Ryan Close.
Passengers wishing to access Ryan Close would be provided for at alternative bus stops along the proposed new bus route, with stops on Tudway Road being the closest and within 400 metre walk. Proposed bus stop names are indicative for consultation purposes.
Further information on proposals for routes 178, 335, B16 and impacts on bus stops can be found below.
Equalities Impact Assessment
We have undertaken an initial Equality Impact Assessment (EqIA) for these proposals. The EqIA identifies and examines in more detail what positive and negative impacts these proposals may have on individuals with protected characteristics together with our equality objectives and how we propose to mitigate any negative impacts.
The EqIA will be kept under review and updated to reflect any relevant new information, including information which comes in as part of the consultation process.
How you can find out more
We have provided more information to help you respond, and we want this consultation to be accessible to everyone.
- An overview map showing current and proposed routes
- Linear diagrams showing current and proposed routes
- A copy of our consultation survey in case you would prefer to respond in writing
- An Easy Read version of our proposals
- An Easy Read version of our survey
You can use the question tool on this page during the consultation period. We will respond your questions as soon as we can.
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Connecting with London's deaf community on our consultations
British Sign Language video and audio versions of the proposals and survey are available.
To further enhance how we engage and consult with London's deaf community we are trialling a British Sign Language (BSL) consultation conversation service for this consultation. This service will allow the TfL consultation lead to have a two-way BSL translated discussion on any aspect of this consultation with a BSL speaker.
To request a BSL consultation conversation please contact us at haveyoursay@tfl.gov.uk and we will be in contact to arrange this at a convenient time. Following this trial, we will evaluate the service to determine if this is something we are able to offer on other consultations in the future.
Drop-in events
We are holding in-person events where you can hear more about our proposals at Kidbrooke Village Community Hub, 8 Pegler Square, London SE3 9JT on:
- Tuesday 7 November 2023 (14:00 - 20:00)
- Saturday 11 November 2023 (09:00 - 13:00)
Please come along and let us know your views. If you are unable to attend and would like to discuss the proposals further with us, please get in touch and we can respond to your queries directly.
What happens next
These proposals are subject to the outcome of our consultation. Once the consultation ends on 26 November 2023, we will spend time considering all the responses we receive and will prepare a consultation report.
The consultation report will help us reach a decision about how bus routes 178, 335 and B16 may change.
A copy of the report will be available to everyone that takes part in the consultation and a copy will be published on our website.
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Bus route 178 (Woolwich - Lewisham up to 4 buses per hour)
Share Bus route 178 (Woolwich - Lewisham up to 4 buses per hour) on Facebook Share Bus route 178 (Woolwich - Lewisham up to 4 buses per hour) on Twitter Share Bus route 178 (Woolwich - Lewisham up to 4 buses per hour) on Linkedin Email Bus route 178 (Woolwich - Lewisham up to 4 buses per hour) linkWe propose to change route 178 in the Kidbrooke Village area as follows:
- The route southbound would be via Pegler Square, Plowden Road, Park Terrace and Tudway Road, instead of via Cambert Way, Ryan Close and Tudway Road
- The route northbound would be via Tudway Road, Park Terrace, Plowden Road and Pegler Square, instead of via Cambert Way, Ryan Close and Tudway Road to then go north up along the A2213 Kidbrooke Park Road again
A map showing the proposal for route 178 alongside routes 335 and B16 can be found below.
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A linear diagram showing the current and proposed route 178 can be found below.
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How these proposals may change your bus journey
- Bus stop ‘Kidbrooke Park Road (towards Blackheath, Shooters Hill or Wingfield School)’ would no longer be served by the 178
- Current passengers of route 178 that use this stop would still be able to complete their journey on one bus using either: Stop ‘N’ ‘Tudway Road (towards Shooters Hill)’ on Kidbrooke Park Road (270 metres south) or: Stop ‘L‘ Cranfield Walk (towards Blackheath or Shooters Hill) on Kidbrooke Park Road (approximately 250 metres north)
- Proposed indicative stops will be located to serve Kidbrooke railway station and Tudway Road in two places - Ottley Drive, Astell Road. We will also move the stop serving Gerrard Way
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Bus route 335 (Kidbrooke, Moorhead Way - North Greenwich up to 5 buses per hour)
Share Bus route 335 (Kidbrooke, Moorhead Way - North Greenwich up to 5 buses per hour) on Facebook Share Bus route 335 (Kidbrooke, Moorhead Way - North Greenwich up to 5 buses per hour) on Twitter Share Bus route 335 (Kidbrooke, Moorhead Way - North Greenwich up to 5 buses per hour) on Linkedin Email Bus route 335 (Kidbrooke, Moorhead Way - North Greenwich up to 5 buses per hour) linkWe propose to change route 335 in this area as follows:
- The route southbound would be via Pegler Square, Plowden Road, Park Terrace and Tudway Road to Kidbrooke Park Road and Weigall Road, instead of via Cambert Way, Ryan Close and Tudway Road
- The route northbound from Weigall Road and Kidbrooke Park Road would be via Tudway Road, Park Terrace, Plowden Road and Pegler Square, instead of via Cambert Way, Ryan Close and Tudway Road to then go north up along the A2213 Kidbrooke Park Road again
A map showing the proposal for route 335 alongside routes 178 and B16 can be found below.
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A linear diagram showing the current and proposed route 335 can be found below.
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How these proposals may change your bus journey
- Bus stop ‘Kidbrooke Park Road (towards Blackheath, Shooters Hill Or Wingfield School)’ will no longer be served by the 335
- Current passengers of route 335 that use this stop would still be able to complete their journey on one bus using either: Stop ‘W’ at Weigall Road South Side (160 metres west) or Stop ‘L‘ Cranfield Walk (towards Blackheath or Shooters Hill) on Kidbrooke Park Road (approximately 250 metres north)
- Proposed indicative stops will be located to serve Kidbrooke railway station and Tudway Road in two places - Ottley Drive, Astell Road. We will also move the stop serving Gerrard Way
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Bus route B16 (Kidbrooke, Moorhead Way - Bexleyheath up to 4 buses per hour)
Share Bus route B16 (Kidbrooke, Moorhead Way - Bexleyheath up to 4 buses per hour) on Facebook Share Bus route B16 (Kidbrooke, Moorhead Way - Bexleyheath up to 4 buses per hour) on Twitter Share Bus route B16 (Kidbrooke, Moorhead Way - Bexleyheath up to 4 buses per hour) on Linkedin Email Bus route B16 (Kidbrooke, Moorhead Way - Bexleyheath up to 4 buses per hour) linkWe propose to change route B16 in this area as follows:
- The route southbound from Weigall Road and Kidbrooke Park Road would be via; Pegler Square, Plowden Road, Park Terrace and Tudway Road, instead of via Cambert Way, Ryan Close and Tudway Road
- The route northbound would be via Tudway Road, Park Terrace, Plowden Road and Pegler Square to reach Kidbrooke Park Road and Weigall Road instead of via Cambert Way, Ryan Close and Tudway Road to then go north via Kidbrooke Park Road again
A map showing the proposal for route B16 alongside routes 178 and 335 can be found below.
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A linear diagram showing the current and proposed route B16 can be found below.
How these proposals may change your bus journey
- Bus stop ‘Kidbrooke Park Road ( towards Blackheath, Shooters Hill Or Wingfield School)’ will no longer be served by the B16
- Current passengers of route B16 that use this stop would still be able to complete their journey on one bus using either: Stop ‘W’ at Weigall Road South Side (approximately 160 metres west) or Stop N ‘Tudway Road (towards Shooters Hill) on Kidbrooke Park Road (approximately 200 metres south)
- Proposed indicative stops will be located to serve Kidbrooke railway station and Tudway Road in two places - Ottley Drive, Astell Road. We will also move the stop serving Gerrard Way
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Impacts on other bus stops
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Bus stop ‘Kidbrooke Park Road Weigall Road (towards Blackheath, Shooters Hill or Wingfield School)'.
At present this is served in both directions by routes 178 and 335, and the B16 on the northbound routeing only. Under this proposal, routes 178, 336 and B15 would no longer use this stop.
The alternative for B16 passengers would be bus stop ‘W’ ‘Weigall Road South Side’ which is 160 metres away.
The alternative for route 335 would be bus stop ‘E’ Weigall Road North Side 115 metres away.
The alternative for 178 passengers would be stop L ‘Cranfield Walk’. This stop is 315 metres away to the north with good pedestrian access to the western side of Kidbrooke Village). Alternatively, 178 passengers may use bus stop ‘N’ ‘Tudway Road’ which is 270 metres to the south.
Bus Stops
The proposed changes to the bus routeings mean changes to bus stops. Our maps show the indicative locations of bus stops in the future. It also includes the removal of one bus stop. The final positioning of bus stops are subject to further discussions with Berkeley Homes and local highway constraints.
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Planning for the future
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Providing the right bus services for Kidbrooke Village’s development
There is a substantial amount of development that has happened in recent years in the Kidbrooke area, including redevelopment of the Ferrier Estate now known as Kidbrooke Village, in the Royal Borough of Greenwich.
We have worked with the Royal Borough of Greenwich and its partners to develop proposals for a permanent bus network that would be introduced to the area in stages, with minimal disruption to current bus journeys. The proposals are designed to be introduced over time as the development expands, new roads are built and people move into the area.
The pattern of development of Kidbrooke Village has meant that the layout of roads and uses of land has changed and will continue to change over time, with some bus routes having to be changed as a result.
The development is now at a stage where some roads currently used by buses will soon be closed to allow the next stages of the development to proceed, with other roads soon to be fully open, allowing more direct routes to be available to buses. Our proposals take into account these road closures and openings.
Why do the bus routes need to change?
The current 178, 335 & B16 bus routes through Kidbrooke Village via Cambert Way and Ryan Close were designed to maintain connections to homes. These roads will be permanently closed to permit the next stages of the development.
There has always been a clear aspiration for buses to not simply keep to A2213 Kidbrooke Park Road but instead have buses serve the new and existing housing (i.e. to the east and west of Kidbrooke Park Road, instead of just up and down it).
Because of this, routes 178 and B16 currently operate in a more direct (progressive) routeing southbound towards (via Ryan Close). However, northbound the routes loop backwards on themselves to serve Ryan Close. Route 335 also loops backwards on itself this in both directions.
The proposal is to simplify bus routeings through the east side of Kidbrooke Village, improve access to the railway station and shops and improve journey times for through passengers.
Return to the main page for details of what is proposed, including a series of proposals (with maps) showing where each bus route goes now and what is proposed.
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